De-lamination of veneer on forward bulkhead wall in salon.

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De-lamination of veneer on forward bulkhead wall in salon.

Post by Palmettomoon350 »

I noted in the forum that this problem has been around for awhile. When the de-lamination began I contacted Warren and he suggested using a warm/hot iron with towel in an attempt to reglue the veneer to the bulkhead. Tried that with warm and hot iron with no results. I am thinking of using a 2 X 2 brace and a piece of 1/2 in plywood and somehow spraying a glue into the cavity then bracing the plywood from the aft bulkhead until the glue sets.
Any other suggestions would be helpful.

Thanks

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Post by Triumph »

I tried this and it was pretty successful. I used an extending boat hook to run between the aft bulkhead and the delam area. I used small pieces of wood on both ends of the pole to apply the pressure. Note; It takes to people to execute this.

I did not apply warm compresses to the delam teak area but maybe this would be a good idea to soften up the teak veneer before applying the glue and pressure. I carefully pealed my veneer back a little then with a brush, applied contact cement, then put the pole in place and left it for a few days.

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Slightly off topic but maybe relevant - I'm applying new veneer to my salon table due to the original being severely damaged. I coated both the table top and the underside of the new veneer with Titebond wood glue and allowed it to dry for several days. I then placed the veneer on the table and ironed it on. The result was a terrific bond.
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Post by Aussie Mate »

I had severe delimitation up until about 4 years ago. Had tried “ironing” the laminate back (the glue was heat activated), done the Triumph trick and used some wood glue (the best outcome) but to no avail. May have lasted a few weeks and then back to square one. Had previously contacted Catalina, well outside the warranty period, and Mr Butler contacted me to obtain more information. Outcome, he sent out a specialist from Florida who stripped all the existing laminate from the bulkhead and we installed new. Outcome is obviously pretty darn good. Seems this is a common problem with the 350.

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Is there any way to prevent the delamination?
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I can't say for certain but with a 13 yr old boat, if it hasn't delaminated yet it probably won't. "If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it".
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Re: De-lamination of veneer on forward bulkhead wall in salo

Post by Aussie Mate »

John: the only answer to stop the delamination is to buy a boat without lamination! Sorry to be so crass, but it appears Catalina may have had a problem with workers and/or glue around 2004/2005. According to Pandy/Douglas/Butler there is no good cure once it has happened. Sorry mate.

We did find that if you can lever the laminate off without breaking it (it is only a couple of mms thick) and then spread some contact glue behind it, it will hold. My guess is that you have some delamination in the middle of the gorgeous panel and off to the port side, hard to get to. I will try to send you some pictures via your email of before and after.

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Re: De-lamination of veneer on forward bulkhead wall in salo

Post by ldirubbo »

It seems to be a problem for most of us. There is a person at the marina who does work on my boat and we looked at all the alternative methods to repair it. Best solution was to carefully remove the panel and use a better adhesive to replace it.

By just cluing the edge you have not resolve the problem since the adhesive is not the best and you can get further delamination in the center or a bubble. If you are going to attempt this make sure you have a steady hand because once it makes contact you can't move it to realign it.
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Post by belladonna »

I've read with great interest all of the "fixes" for the salon forward bulkhead de-lamination but I haven't had any issues with that on #368. BUT I have delamination of the white-surface veneer from the head door into the forward cabin. Had anyone else had this issue and if so what did you do?? I would think the repair would be the same as the forward bulkhead veneer. Thanx, Jim
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Post by C350ia »

I had an area about 18" x 18" that had come delaminated just on the port side of the seam. I got a syringe and attached a small clear plastic hose on it. Taped it to a wire from clothes hanger so I could stick it into the void. Took wood glue and infected it into the area where it was delaminated. I would take the syringe off the hose when refilling to keep from sucking the glue out of the hose when I pulled the plunger back. After injecting the glue I took two strips of plywood about 2" x 24" and put one screw each to hold them on the wall horizontally right at the seam. This held the veneer in thigt til the glue set. I also tried the ironing trick but I don't think it did anything. From Catalina I ordered a strip of wood 1/4" x 1 1/2". Had them finish it. I attached it to the seam with one screw in the middle about 8 1/2" on center. I predrilled and counter sinked the holes in the wood and into the wall. Used #6 x 3/4" screw to make sure I didn't go through the wall. Some of the screws would be in the cabinet and medicine cabinet if you use longer screws. Also be careful not to drill into the water lines in the bathroom. Looks great the finish of the wood strip matches the wall perfect. Just finished this so not sure if it will stay glued or not. Wood strip may keep it from coming too loose even if it does come unglued.
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